(no, i did run spell check. What's there is intentional, if artless)
In one corner of the world the liberal media and communist historians (also known as- historians) condemned and watched in horror as the Hindutva parties took to the streets objecting to the development of the Palk strait where shipping lanes would partially destory Adam's bridge, known by India's Hindu Community as "Ram Setu" on grounds that the geological formation was built by Ram ( a mythological king revered as an incarnation of one of Hinduism's 33 crore gods (hahaha 33 crore gods), by Indiashinducommunity) with the assistance of (stifle laugh here and assume serious unsmiling scientific condescension), a Monkey Army led by monkey king, Sugreeva and his shape-shifting, flying, son-of-the-sun general, Hanuman.
Amid this madness, a completely unrelated news story found little or no mention. Here, a secular party long charged by right wingers (and muslim-burners and mosque-demolishers and christian-conversion-stoppers and consistently unfashionable independant thinkers and faceless non-partisan common religious Hindus) with sacrificing majority rights at the altar of minority appeasement, put into action a plan to demolish a site of deep religious significance to Indiashinducommunity, to make way for a new shipping lane which would provide an undisclosed amount of revenue to the nation, at the cost of losing a site of lasting spiritual significance and of the most serious religious relevance over the past 5000 years.
Some thinkers with illusions of perceptive ability saw these as related events when the truth is that these events, though similar to the cursory observer, happened in entirely different places with entirely different actors. Geographically and scientifically the events did indeed overlap but in reality the events took place in at least two very different Indias. The idea of India had yet again spawned an echo self through what may be likened (for the benefit of the pragmatic junta from group 1 as well as the self righteously prudish from group 2) to asexual reproduction.
Now, to address/ rant about the many arguments put forth I must begin with this...
Am i the only one who's surprised by the number of indians (who appear for TV sound bites) who persistently refer to the Ramanaya as a "myth". I always felt Indians had greater religious conviction than that. Bewoulf is a myth. King Arthur is a myth. But the Ramanaya? I may be out of sync with popular Indian sentiment but Ganesh my dhobi and Vishnu my driver both seem convinced that he was very much real (didn't he used to be King of Ayodhya and husband to Sita and slayer of the evil Lankan brahmin king, Ravana?) as the stories indicate.
It is interesting that the Mahabarata which followed several centuries after Ramayana has been vindicated to a great extent by archeological excavations revealing 5 layers of the great sunken city of Mathura said to be the capital of the Yadav rulers of the Gangetic plain, including king Krishna, a similarly mythological character, reinforcing faith with fact, a domain thus far enjoyed by only the newer religions Christianity and Islam. Today many social anthropologists point out that tribal tales and customs follow frighteningly close parallels to events described in the Ramayana. A case in point is the Sabarras tribe in Orissa which despite being outside the main social and cultural fold of Hinduism record events surrounding the life of Rama and other characters in the epic despite the marked absence of any religious significance being attributed to these events or indeed their actors. In the Bellary region one can also observe such patterns. At any rate I dont think that claims of historicity of characters in these tales can so summarily be dismissed as just so much religious mumbo jumbo, as they are so susceptible to doing in thesemoderntimes.
Having settled that I staunchly believe that historicity (defined as 'available non-contested proof of historicity') is irrelevant to the present case. I dont believe that we can rate the merits in people's beliefs? The question is not whether he existed in the temporal plane but only whether millions of Hindus may be permitted to believe, even in absence of incontrovertible facts, that he did. We don't need a state guarantee to protect claims made on fact. The guarantee exists explicitly to protect claims made on faith. A claim resting on faith cannot be met by an argument attacking it on fact.
The true malady I believe, and I am frequently and famously wrong, is the secret shame of being publicy Hindu. Of being visibly "majority". Of being too Hindu. Such luxuries are apparently to be afforded to minorities alone. There is no such thing as being too Muslim. Or too XYZ. Too Hindu is a bit of a problem. Mercifully for our public people (using the popular out-of-my-ass method of statistical research I will number the public Indians at nothing greater than 30,000 which translates into 0.0428% of the total Hindu population, assuming that non-Hindus are for a moment excluded in the initial figure. Naturally the true figure must be even lower) a long tradition of European insistence with examining Oriental traditions through written records to the exclusion of other forms of record, has caught on thus easing the burden of being publicly religious. Associating guilt with belonging to the majority community is India's most successful post-colonial political achievement and our liberal sons are its greatest champions. He he he they blush as pink skinned foreigners narrate how some ill dressed native amused them with stories of Hindu India's (as being pre-Islam invasion India) fantastic claims of mathematical and scientific achievements. These Hindus, they blush, believe they discovered everything from gravity to electricity. (We did in fact discover both. Google Aryabhatta and get back to me.) The dismal ease of this systematic abandonment of our history is matched only by our vapid eagerness to slot ourselves into intellectual fashions to feel secure in our progressive status and a sense of belonging in thesemoderntimes. Such behaviour is everywhere, overt at times subtle at others and it is pathetic and plastic to the point of vulgarity. The free media has seized it with the excitement of Moses on manna and has bashed it around for our viewing pleasure and that odd sense of satisfaction that comes from challenging widespread belief.
I shall conclude this rant with another observation that rather surprised me. The question being tossed around was, "Shall we make the economic development of the shipping trade subservient to religious sentiment and religious beliefs?". It was a rhetorical question. But the correct answer was No. I got the bit about the rhetorical question but try as i might i could not arrive at the desired answer. No matter what, in my ears, after passing through my in built bullshit filter, it only sounded like, "Is Economic greed a greater asset than the spiritual consciousness of a nation?" Or has atheism as governance policy for Hindu issues become so fashionable that we impose it on an unwilling people? No, economics cannot and must not be placed before the moral imperative. Religious beliefs cannot be made subservient to opportunities for gain. The fact is that as the world's oldest surviving civilisation, India is a deeply religious country. And while I might support for the most part the privatisation and modernisation initiatives of our times, I will not stand by and watch the disinvestment of my very beliefs, for economic gain.
-Sushrut
Tuesday, September 18, 2007
2 Stolen Cents- The Rama Setu: Sushrut
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This article was a complete waste of time.. Meant for and probably written by people considering themselves to be some sort of intellectuals who think they've understood it all. The truth is that it is very easy and convenient to comment on issues such as "religion" and "modern ideology".. Its simple, believe that you are intelligent and convince yourself that you know much more than the 'commoners' and scoff at people who are practical (yeah! wats that?). In my opinion, Persons who infact comment on how it is 'fashionable' to be an atheist or blatantly claim that such people are ashamed to be a part of a majority community (such as a religion) , are infact trying to create a new group of such thinkers who are 'spiritually consicious.'
what i dont understand is why are people expected to be apologetic if they plan to generate wealth.. Is money a solution to everything you'd ask.. The answer is No! But the problem is that this is the 'wrong question'.. The right one would be.. Is money a solution to many of our problems? The answer is a strong YES!!
So then should we (still a part of the strongly religous India) stand by and watch the disinvestment of our very beliefs, for economic gain? My answer is, with 35% of our population being under the poverty line, YES! we definitely and most certainly should..
Aah, simpletons... dont you just love them. I sympathise with Anon but not, I imgine, in any manner that he would approve of.
I will reply to this in greater detail but in a couple of day. Im a little tied up right now.
Incidentally, Anon, since your support for the project appears to rest on economic grounds it would do you well to read the recent edition of the EPW or Swaminathan's TOI article on the Editorial page today.
Religious sentiments aside, are you still opposed? Im genuinely interested.
--Sushrut
1 cent= 41 paisa……2 cents = not a whole lot more
A different anonymous from the earlier one.
I must confess I am a bit late in jumping in on the action, though the manner in which this issue is shaping up has spurred me on to postpone my Sunday afternoon nap and pen a few thoughts.
Self righteous communist historians and the liberal media/liberal persons (non dalit burners and mosque demolishers) who have been graced by the author of the original post with a great theatrical and expressive aptitude (stifle laugh here and serious unsmiling scientific condescension- trust me its hard to pull off), who have by virtue of their talents been selected by Sir Salman to be the dramatis personae of his new work, ‘the bridge builders verses’, would all deem the ‘truth’ of flying shape shifters and monkey armies to be as plausible as Eve being created from Adam’s rib (not bridge) or Moses parting the red sea.
Though scientific evidence points to the fact that the Adam’s bridge is a natural formation, being the tolerant and God (RSS and Bhajrang Dal) fearing person that I am, I will grand the assumption that all myth has some basis in reality. (Partly in fear of being treated like a religious temple worshiping dalit by “faceless non-partisan common religious Hindus”).
Indeed Adam’s bridge was not named after some “pink skinned” geologist or self proclaimed adventurer, but its entomology stems from a legend in Islam that Adam (missing one rib), used the bridge to cross into Sri Lanka, where he stood repentant on one foot for 1000 years (take that all you Hindus who think only your religion has preposterous stories that incur the indignation of the west).
All myth has however also been used as a metaphor for prescribing acceptable ideology as laid out by the dominant class. Therefore Ganesh (dhobi) and Vishnu (driver) are really only one side of a story that tears away at the notion of Hinduism as a cognate unified religion (like Hanafi Sunnis as opposed to the general precept of Islam).
Both Ganesh and Vishnu are remnant edifices of the glorious Aryan ( Re(a)d swastika and the mythology of the Jews) race who inhabit what is now known as the ‘cow belt’. Perhaps the riches of the author (in having a dhobi and driver) have thus limited his interaction with “faceless non-partisan common religious Hindus” to only the said domestic help .The reality of the Ramayana however, reaches beyond the blue Lord Ram of the Amar Chitra Katha.
Therefore Karunanadhi and his Dravidian voters do not concur with the author’s assessment of Lord Rama as “didn't he used to be King of Ayodhya and husband to Sita and slayer of the evil Lankan brahmin king, Ravana?”, though perhaps his criticism of Ram is unfounded, Ravana in the south is not viewed with the disdain that is reserved for him amongst Ganesh and Vishnu in the north, in fact he is looked upon as a tragic hero (look up any article written in south India by persons not named Ganesh and Vishnu). The manner in which the Ramayana has been written is perhaps also viewed as slightly racist, giving the proud Dravidian peoples the honour of being “monkey armies” and “vulture gods”. It is further viewed as the metaphor of the south’s subjugation to the Aryan culture of the north and is perhaps why our dear right wing leaders would find it wise not to land in Tamil Nadu these days, as a reward of gold would not be required for a beheading. Perhaps then this ‘losing a site of lasting spiritual significance and of the most serious religious relevance over the past 5000 years’ may be viewed in a slightly different light in various parts of the country, which is my ultimate point. (In addition I don’t see anyone objecting to the Suez Canal because a joint venture between England and Egypt deposed the earlier JV between God and Moses to part the red sea.)
The facts of the situation being thus explained, I do not think this minority appeasement v. majority arises. One may note that our country as it exists today owes nothing to these right wing fanatics. It was men like the Mahatma who were endowed with more sense than exists in all of India collectively today who founded our country and laid down the postulates by which we should learn to govern ourselves. One of these was the concept of separation of Church and State alias secularism. It is a concept that is far evolved from the feudal dustbowl that protecting religious interests as a matter of state policy (whether minority, majority or TV/TG). Any and all policy decisions given the multitude of faiths, cultures, races and the full ‘unity in diversity’ etc etc….cannot under our Constitution, on the basis of the existence of our country, in keeping with the memory of our founding fathers be made on solely religious grounds. We are not one country, one entity nor one people until we realise this, and if you say be dammed with the concept of a pluralistic India, then we must dissolve this country and let Karunanadhi do what he wants with Adams bridge, Rama Sethu and the law against stealing two cents.
P.S- India did not invent everything!!! Though we did discover gravity it cannot be attributed to Aryabhatta (though people like to attribute every ancient Indian scientific development to him) but Baskharya II, aryabhatta theorised that the earth was round….…electricity however I highly doubt. In any case the point is after a certain point of time Indian innovation came to a standstill and we languished, content with our laurels and genius only to end up under the yoke of foreign oppression. Whether that was under the Aryans of the north, the west or the past depends on who you are.
Everyone should pray to God. Believe in a God, worship a God!!The constitution gives it to you. But for Gods sake (sorry!)dont impose your beliefs on others. Dont victimize or harm others in any which way.
This isnt economic greed vs religious belief. Your hindering progress on the basis of mere speculation that someone built something somewhere at some point of time. Look people believe all sorts of things. Christians believe that Jesus walked on water. Moses parted the red sea. Noah's ark actually carried 16 million animals. Radical Islamists belive that if they blow themselves up they'll get virgins in heaven!! Lets not even get into stuff like Scientology and Jehovahs Witness (apparently they forbid you from singing the American national anthem and buying girl scout cookies!). Religion cannot be subject to standards of reasonableness, cuz honestly I dont think any religion would pass!!!
This is where the freedom of religion crap has to stop. You gotta get practical about stuff!!!
You need to strip religion of its holy cow status and take a step back!
I dont give credence to the line of thought that says the ram-setu is fundamentaly wrong or economically and ecologically unsound. (i read swaminomics...i feel theres an inherent contradiction somewhere) I believe eventually it will bear fruit to develop the strait. Im gonna get back with concrete facts and figures on this...
An interesting angle to the controversy... Still there are several logical discrepancies in the employed line of reasoning. Firstly, the whole argument of why the Ramayana can't be considered a "myth" is irrelevant. The fulcrum of the issue lies in whether the Sethusamudram project should be given a green signal or not. A sub-plot to that is whether the geological formation in question is actually the Ram Sethu (the 'underwater bridge') or not. The question of there being any historical evidence of the Ramayana verifying that it actually took place is therefore extraneous, a red herring, if i may.
The idea of it being unpopular to be visibly Hindu, "The true malady I believe, and I am frequently and famously wrong, is the secret shame of being publicy Hindu...", is, as the author has already considered it possible to be, erroneous. How else can the increasing popularity of Hindutva and the concept of Ram-raj be expounded? The riots of 1992? Godhra? Is the popularity of the Shiv Sena merely to be construed as an effect of their political dexterity? It has never been more fashionable to be blatantly Hindu. In applying the similar logic, we must then consider why Islam is given the status of being a minority community at all, and also why is there reservation of rights for minorities - not just in India but throughout the world. Is the intention to give the Muslim additional benefits? Or rather, is it to bring him on par with the Hindu in a predominantly Hindu country.
"...There is no such thing as being too Muslim"... Where does that come from! As far as i know, merely being Muslim in India (as anywhere else in the world!) is cause enough for one to be discriminated against in personal, professional, everyday life. Even to get a freakin visa.
"Religious beliefs cannot be made subservient to opportunities for gain." Another logical fallacy. Religious belief is one thing, and i'm all for it. However, increasing the emphasis on religion only proves to the detriment of the country. Also, it is very Indian to believe that making money is wrong. Why?
The current issue is not about whether the Ramayana is a myth or not, that will be decided eventually in obiter dictum. For all you know extinctive prescription may well take care of that altogether. But, eventually religious rigidity has to give way to the interest of the nation as a whole.
PS - an instance (though not pertaining to the main question) of conflict in faith - according to Sri Lankan mythology Ravana was a victorious King who brought home the beautiful Sita as his bride. Now, is the path to Lanka taken by the slayer of the great King Ravana to be preserved as holy, effectively depriving the Sri Lankans too of economic gain...?
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